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Re: PowerBASIC has been sold! (PowerBasic IS ALIVE !)
« Reply #90 on: April 13, 2018, 08:17:21 AM »
There must be first a valid business plan.
Asking the people to join just for glory, will never succeed in the long run.
Hence, finding talented programers is just (the easiest) part of the problem.
Good will is not enough, except for the hobbyist market, but then no way to make a leaving from it, for something that is very time consuming.
Sincerely i couldn't figure how a new compiler would have a chance of success in front of the existing RAD tools.


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Re: PowerBASIC has been sold! (PowerBasic IS ALIVE !)
« Reply #91 on: April 14, 2018, 02:51:37 AM »
Well, i could redefine RAD, for starters. Its a mess to setup MSVC, first of, a huge download, a long install, once it is installed i found lots of issues. Principally the incapacity to solve an issue because of it not being clear.

 A compiler that is smaller, lighter and solves all that issues would be RADder than RAD. This could attract many users, specially the ones who do not look for super low level control... Hmm even the ones that do, now that i think of it.


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Re: PowerBASIC has been sold! (PowerBasic IS ALIVE !)
« Reply #92 on: April 14, 2018, 12:47:35 PM »
Brian

Are we speaking of professional applications, with hundreds of window and all the bells and whistles needed by modern applications and running on local or the internet network?

I never seen such a project written in PB.

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Re: PowerBASIC has been sold! (PowerBasic IS ALIVE !)
« Reply #93 on: April 14, 2018, 12:58:44 PM »
Yes.

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Re: PowerBASIC has been sold! (PowerBasic IS ALIVE !)
« Reply #94 on: April 14, 2018, 04:40:30 PM »
Brian

Then, if we are speaking of professionnal applications, it is very important to offer a rich environment, and some advanced features that would be hard to duplicate by any other competitors.

I can make fair comparisons because i have been programming in PDS 7, PBDK, PowerBASIC, C#, C, C++, and WinDev.

If you can emulate what WinDev does, to create native code rather than IL, then you have a winner.

Try "BassBox Radio" that is written with WinDev, and look at the window animation used when running the application, this is a build-in feature of the language, there is nothing to program inside of the code, but this is something that would impress the end user.

Theming support is another great feature of WinDev, that gives to a project a unique signature to stand out from the crowd.

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Re: PowerBASIC has been sold! (PowerBasic IS ALIVE !)
« Reply #95 on: April 15, 2018, 06:51:59 PM »
Hello Patrice

regarding Windev,  are you sure that it can produce native codes?
i had a bad experience with Xojo which claimed to produce native codes,  which infact it wasn't

Xojo uses a native code to overlay its pcode making it a pseudo native code and requires
a runtime to execute JIT and it also does not support dll.   Its executables are bloated

that is why i ask this question,  as we will need native code as it is more secure


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Re: PowerBASIC has been sold! (PowerBasic IS ALIVE !)
« Reply #96 on: April 15, 2018, 07:42:33 PM »
WinDev doesn't produce native code, it produces only p-code, just like IL for .NET.

However the WinDev Framework is written in plain C++, and you can use it either in 32 or 64-bit, and with any true DLL even those written in PB.

Indeed i am using my own set of DLL(s) with it to perform critical time processing or for all my specific needs.

For a formal PowerBASIC user, the W-Language is really easy to read and learn.

WinDev is a true RAD tool, meaning once you master the beast (takes me 3 monthes) you can produce complex application in a blink of an eye compared to PB.

I have plainty of WinDev examples using my GDImage/WinLIFT addons, and many running in both PB or WinDev.
I bet that you won't see any difference, except for the size of the Framework of course.

To see how close the language could be to PB, have a look at this link
http://www.jose.it-berater.org/smfforum/index.php?topic=3157.msg9974#msg9974

The real power of WinDev is that it has pre-build functions ready to use, that would have taken monthes or even years to write from ground zero.

Make sure also to read this full thread
http://www.jose.it-berater.org/smfforum/index.php?topic=4807.0

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Re: PowerBASIC has been sold! (PowerBasic IS ALIVE !)
« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2018, 12:21:02 AM »
Thanxx a lot Patrice

i have downloaded its express version, its IDE looks weird and not very friendly, maybe
i watch some videos on it to figure out how to use it

 

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« Reply #98 on: April 17, 2018, 10:05:11 AM »
I told you, i spent 3 monthes on it before i could get comfortable with it.
It was so different to what i was accustomed to.
That was the same when i switched to Visual Studio.

You must forget (at least for a while) what you have learned before, using a true RAD tool is very different than programming in procedural mode.

Try first to create a Hello World window using the IDE or one of the many examples floating around, including on my web site here:
http://www.zapsolution.com/DW/US/windev.html

I have also translated several of my PB or C++ examples to WinDev, to ease the comparison.
http://repository.windev.com/search.awp?author=52;Patrice TERRIER


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