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Offline Steve Hutchesson

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #255 on: November 09, 2013, 10:34:40 PM »
I think you will start to see things moving again reasonably soon, I have known Tom Hanlin for years and he has the know how to get things up and going again. Vivian Zale has made a very good business choice here with a programmer of Tom's experience and with his background in supporting basic programming going back into the 1980s, his knowledge of support will be invaluable.

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #256 on: November 09, 2013, 11:03:53 PM »
I think you will start to see things moving again reasonably soon, I have known Tom Hanlin for years and he has the know how to get things up and going again.

Many of us have known him for years and have direct experience about what happens when Tom takes over a programming language.

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #257 on: November 09, 2013, 11:06:20 PM »
Qui vivra verra...
 
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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #258 on: November 10, 2013, 08:44:10 AM »
I kept my trap shut at the PB forums but I know exactly what you mean, Brice. As Patrice says, 'Wait and see'. I sincerely hope that I am wrong but it could be the last nail in the coffin.

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« Reply #259 on: November 10, 2013, 01:56:14 PM »
I sincerely hope that I am wrong but it could be the last nail in the coffin.
This was the topic of a couple of phone conversations yesterday.  There are many who share your concern.

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #260 on: November 10, 2013, 05:35:10 PM »
I've never met Tom myself. I only know him through reputation, which from my reading has usually been quite good.

I almost hate to ask, but was there an event in the past (before my time, apparently) that leads to the "nail in the coffin" comment?  I'm not trolling for a diatribe here, so if you have a response, please keep it short.  I only ask because if there was a perceived shortcoming, it might lead to a useful suggestion for Tom to consider.

For that matter, is there a very succinct list of suggestions that we could offer up to Tom - helpful suggestions that is. "Fold up the tent" is not what I'm looking for ...

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #261 on: November 10, 2013, 05:43:12 PM »
... I almost hate to ask, but was there an event in the past (before my time, apparently) that leads to the "nail in the coffin" comment? ...

Just ask one of the "old timers" about "IBASIC"...

Offline José Roca

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #262 on: November 10, 2013, 05:46:42 PM »
Please, this is no place for gossip. If you want to talk about somebody, do it privately. Thanks.

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #263 on: November 10, 2013, 06:26:46 PM »
Jose,
Whoops, sorry. I wasn't around here until about about 2010 - didn't realize the sensitivity of the topic. 

But, folks, don't lose track of my question:
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For that matter, is there a very succinct list of suggestions that we could offer up to Tom - helpful suggestions that is. "Fold up the tent" is not what I'm looking for ...
If there are any useful/helpful suggestions we can make to PowerBASIC, perhaps we can be part of the solution to helping PowerBASIC be/stay viable!.

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #264 on: December 11, 2013, 04:58:27 AM »
I can talk about IBASIC, which frankly turned out to be a criminal enterprise. It was founded on other people's software that could not legally be sold, on "open source" software where they sold the sources that were required to be free, and an owner who did not live up to his own contracts. I did not do nearly enough due diligence. It looked like what I wanted. It was far from that. There was no way anyone could have continued that company. The code was garbage and the company was totally illegal.

I lost a great deal of money on that transaction. Eh, we live and learn, and sometimes it smarts a lot.

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #265 on: December 11, 2013, 10:28:14 AM »
Tom,

The lack of communications, either for IBASIC, or PowerBASIC (the purpose of this tread), has forced many of us to move to new horizon(s).

I couldn't see anybody, even you, able to take over Bob Zale's work.

Things have been neglected for too long.

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #266 on: December 11, 2013, 10:43:33 AM »
I agree the lack of communications has been the worst part with PowerBASIC and I was never involved with IBASIC so can't comment.  But although some have moved - many including myself have not and would love to support PowerBASIC in the future.  It's a wonderful product as it is now, and would love to see it go forward even further.  It has been neglected for a while and it won't be easy to take over Bob's work but I'm sure it is most definitely worth saving and developing further.

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #267 on: December 11, 2013, 04:12:30 PM »
...The code was garbage and the company was totally illegal.

I lost a great deal of money on that transaction. Eh, we live and learn, and sometimes it smarts a lot.

I have no intention to interfere with the 'who saves PB' discussion but this statement wonders me.
How can one not being capable to check out his goods before purchasing it?

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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #268 on: December 11, 2013, 06:52:36 PM »
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How can one not being capable to check out his goods before purchasing it?

I think it can just happen.  Couple years ago I bought a truck.  I did what I thought was reasonable online research on the truck before I bought it.  After I bought it I ran into a problem which I simply failed to discover in my research.  It was there - I simply failed to recognize it.  S*** happens. 

A number of us wondered what happened with IBasic.  Tom's statement above is the first mention of it I've seen.  I'm sorry it didn't work out for him.
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Re: Future of powerbasic
« Reply #269 on: December 13, 2013, 02:38:53 AM »
Tsch, yeah. I am probably not going to repeat Bob Zale. I don't think anyone has the incentives available. But we have a very interested group, and I might imagine a small collection of talented people filling in. Consider being one of them.