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OxygenBasic / o2_050P6
« Last post by Zlatko Vid on September 11, 2022, 03:45:55 PM »
Charles

May i ask you why you holding some unused stuff in o2
maybe i am annoying but Scintilla folder is still with old ASciEdit
why you not add latest AurelEdit06 in ?
there are also some other things no-one use...
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OxygenBasic / Re: O2 Arrays / BASIC Standardization
« Last post by Bernard Kunzy on September 11, 2022, 09:35:20 AM »
Eduardo,

I agree, that there is no standard BASIC syntax, and this won't help to gain new users, except in the hobbyist sphere.


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OxygenBasic / Re: O2 Arrays / BASIC Standardization
« Last post by Zlatko Vid on September 11, 2022, 08:17:43 AM »
no it was made by you..!
 ;D
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OxygenBasic / Re: O2 Arrays / BASIC Standardization
« Last post by Eduardo Jorge on September 10, 2022, 11:43:12 PM »
being written in O2 does not mean that it was written to be used with O2, the O2 itself was initially made in freebasic, so I prefer o2, should I use freebasic just because o2 was made with it?
after it was completely compiled by o2 itself.
ok thinbasic has been weak lately, but tell me which basic language is booming, from what I saw there was even a recent update in the "thinAir" ide, (at this moment 245 visitors), particularly I don't use it, I downloaded it but I don't use it, I also downloaded it the freebasic, but I left it aside.
was AurelEdit made by you? I didn't even know, it's getting better.
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OxygenBasic / Re: O2 Arrays / BASIC Standardization
« Last post by Zlatko Vid on September 10, 2022, 10:55:54 PM »
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about AurelEdit, see that it is not announced as a standard ide, nor is it even announced for valid use with O2, it is a project that, as far as I know, was not even started for O2, but it has been adapted for O2 later, but even so, it is not announced next to the O2, only those who have been here the longest know that it exists as an "ide" for the O2.

first of all AurelEdit is completely written in o2..
it is made for Oxygen basic in first place and yes it is valid
what i can is to publish it on sourceForge
it is not "announced as a standard ide " probably because Charles have something different on his mind
and i never asked him to announce it as standard IDE for o2

I asked him many times why he don't include it under Scintilla projects?
but looks to me that he ignored that and leave old example called AsciEdit there ...hmm

for thinBasic ..it must be a joke ....did you recently visit tB forum
..there is maybe one or two members and one or two visitors
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OxygenBasic / Re: O2 Arrays / BASIC Standardization
« Last post by Eduardo Jorge on September 10, 2022, 05:22:42 PM »
why am i contradictory?
you asked why people are leaving Powerbasic and going to freebasic, I talked about why, there is simply more baggage and tools.
yes I prefer the O2 too, but a lot of these people want something for work, so a good IDE and a form builder are important.
about AurelEdit, see that it is not announced as a standard ide, nor is it even announced for valid use with O2, it is a project that, as far as I know, was not even started for O2, but it has been adapted for O2 later, but even so, it is not announced next to the O2, only those who have been here the longest know that it exists as an "ide" for the O2.

if the "basic" were all the same, the tools could be reused, you could try different compilers, different ideas and all the form assemblers you have for Basic, and that would certainly make more people try to use O2

an example is thinbasic, it has more users than O2, it even has O2 built in, O2 is much faster than thinbasic, but what does thin basic have that o2 doesn't have?
tools ,
Of course, O2 doesn't have collaborators like thinbasic, but O2 also had many changes, some because Charles kept meeting demands, some interesting, others just for personal taste.
It works for me, it works for you too.
but is it for everyone?

looks like you're helping with the O2 documentation, it's also an important step, maybe the most important, and for that I also thank you, as well as charles "of course, more to charles , lol "
but seriously, this discussion with me is not going to lead anywhere, I'm just a fly here, my considerations are the same thing as nothing.
 it would be valid if I had the ability to help in something and I was doing so, but as you can see, even in vba I'm incompetent, so you can ignore what I write
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OxygenBasic / Re: O2 Arrays / BASIC Standardization
« Last post by Eduardo Jorge on September 09, 2022, 03:40:28 PM »
I think you are taking the matter personally because of your passion for "O2"
I said in general, there was only the case that the "o2" was multidimensional arrays.
you don't see in "c" people having to change dialects when going from a "C" to another "C".
and it's precisely because you don't use programming in a professional way that you don't see problems in these differences, so you should know that for me these differences aren't problematic either.
but, how are professionals going to adopt a language like that without any standard?
how can a company hire basic programmers, and when they work together, what if each one learned a different "basic"?

Seriously, you just saw this wrong in this code? lol
Simply put, that's all wrong, despite working.
but it was an example that in large and old projects there is always a section that no one wants to touch, but the project depends on it.
I ask you, in a case like this, is there a way to switch from one "basic" to another?

but well, this discussion won't even lead to anything,
as I said, it makes no difference to me, even without multidimensional arrays I'll continue using O2, I just pointed out a characteristic of "basic" and not exactly of "O2"
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OxygenBasic / Re: O2 Arrays / BASIC Standardization
« Last post by Zlatko Vid on September 09, 2022, 07:43:29 AM »
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you don't need to, my use of "Basic" is just as a hobby and I use vba even more,

so why you then moaning and complain ?
ahh you want to have code for easy translation ..give me a break :(

Also i don't see what is wrong with different syntax..every basic have something different.
but most of syntax is based on old MS QuickBasic.

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I'm not even a professional programmer,
i am not proffesional programmer too..so what? ...
then stop talking about things you don't need ... ???

there is no need for any multi-dimensional arrays ..especially if that things broke other part of Oxygen basic
which work much better than is other compilers.
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Meta Forum / Re: Forum Update 09.08.2022
« Last post by Theo Gottwald on September 09, 2022, 07:42:43 AM »
Definitely, we have more languages here then just Powerbasic.
But as you might know the Forum Registration for new users has been closed,
so advertizing makes not much sense.
The only way to enter is to write me or Jose a mail and get registered manually.
The reason for this is a large amount of Scammers who use automatic registration programs.
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OxygenBasic / Re: O2 Arrays / BASIC Standardization
« Last post by Theo Gottwald on September 09, 2022, 07:40:06 AM »

I see multidimensional arrays are a problem when migrating code to o2, so I will be implementing it. I've got it for static arrays but not resolved with the redims.

If Macros work, you can still implement it like this "Under the hood" and give End users the normal "DIM [AT] (x,y,z) Syntax".
If these Arrays will be able to be re-dimed without losing content, it will be an advantage even over Powerbasic.
Where only 1 dimensiponal arrays can be REDIMED without losing content (and i am not sure this really works with all Datatypes).

Datatypes and Array are a critical Part of Basic and here is the Part where the Programmer can save a lot of time if the language designer invested a lot of time.

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